Please Do Now:
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Read the following 2 articles: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/beaches/story/438545.html and http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/439554.html.
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Compare and contrast the articles: NOT the content, but the way the articles were reported and written.
Today, students will:
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Read the following article: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3918&u_sid=10272634. Here is ther original article: http://www.journalstar.com/huskerextra/volleyball/doc47bf749e0aa77425882258.txt
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Explain, in your own words, what happened.
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How would you act if you were the author? The journalism teacher?
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Brainstorm Round 3 Articles.
Tonight’s homework is:
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Round 3 Planners due Friday
30 responses so far ↓
manuelam2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm |
Compare and contrast the articles: NOT the content, but the way the articles were reported and written:
The first article was confusing, it went off talking about how MBSH is trying to raise its grade up, to talking if the students liked the new school or not.I didint like the qoutes , they were very messy as if they writer didnt know were to put them.
The second article was much better, it gave good details and qoutes.It was better organized than the first article and not as confusing.Iyt gave variety of qoutes from not only students and parents but the writer actually got a qoute from a police officer given the article another view , by this I mean that the article didnt make the students and parents the victims, but it also gave the reader another tought.Both partys were wrong.
amaliar2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm |
The Edison article had quotes from every point of view, not just students and the principal, like the Beach article. It was very well reported but the article itself could have had more detail, the Beach article was really in-depth. Both had a matter-of-fact air and lacked outright opinions, making them good news articles. The Edison article could have had some quotes from the teachers and from the principal.
amandae2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:17 pm |
First off, the first article is more of a Features article than a news. It talks of the school, but not necessarily of an event that happened within the school. Instead, the second article is a News piece and reports an incident that occured.
The first article is more laid back and sometimes biased. Like for example, when it says “She is presiding over changes big and small” or “a move sure to raise the school’s stature” These are not necessarily news-style sentences.
This article shows good reporting (they have good quotes) and writing.
The second article is in complete news-style and does not include an opinion or anything of the sort in any part of the piece. It is also much more controversial than the former.
This article has very varied quotes. It shows good reporting; it has opinions from most sides of the story.
danielag2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm |
the first article confused me little. It as taliking about everything all at once and it was just too much facts. The article talks aboutt he improvement and plans for MBSH.
In the second article ws basically the reporting at Thomas Edison of a disturbance that lead to a mayor fight this causing 27 student getting arested. Its structure was good and was clear to understand but it didnt inform as much as the first article did.
joselynm2009 // March 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm |
The first gave alot of details and elaborated on many different points, however, it did seem a little disorganized. The second didnt really explain anything. To me it seemed like it repeated the same thing over and over because there wasnt much to say.
nataliea2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm |
they were alot differences between the MBSH article and the Edison one
1.the MBSH article sound like it was written by someone who attends our school. there wernt enough quotes and it was only showing the the positive side. Also it sounded like they were desperate through out the article.
2. The Edison Article i thought was much better and thourogh (i spelled it wrong =() it had quotes from all aspects and was more entertaining..i actually wanted to read it. it had vivid words and didnt bore me to death!
oscart2007 // March 3, 2008 at 6:19 pm |
The artical on Beach was told mostly by quotes from Dr. Sidner. It also showed the school thru the eyes of the reporter. The peice on Edison was more about the student and what the students thought about the incedent. I thout it was a little watered down because the articale kept repeating that students left in handcuffs
inesm2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:19 pm |
The first article talked abot too many thing at a time. I’m still not sure what the author’s point was in writing the story. It is talking about the school changing as a whole, but it seems weak; it should elaborate on each aspect of the change a bit more, or if not, it should be separated into different articles.
The second article talked about a chaotic situation, but it did so in an organized way, unlike the first one. Each quote seemed to fit perfectly since it was either backing up a fact or being backe-up by a fact. The writer transmits a feeling of frustration to the reader, unlike the first writer.
stephanieo2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
The first article had alot of different perspectives however I wansnt really sure what the article was about. I mean it was about the school but I thought it would just focus of FCAT instead of continuously changing the subject.
The second article on the other hand, had a bit more focus. Still it didnt feel in depth or well organized. The use of quotes was good in both articles but I think that the quotes in the 2nd article could have been better.
alessiap2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
Similarities:
Both articles reported by going to each school and talking to students and school officials.
Both articles also used a sufficient amount of quotes to describe the ideas. The only difference (with reference to quotes…) is the fact that the Miami Beach article had more opinion wheras the Edison story was more of the raw facts.
Another difference: where the Miami Beach article has an optimistic side to it the Edison article was more of a serious (and dissapointed?) side. Not only is the content of each very different therefore leading to different tone but I don’t think that either was very objective.
joselyng2010 // March 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
Assignment:Compare and contrast the articles: NOT the content, but the way the articles were reported and written.
In the article of MBSH the lead started with a quote. In journalism class we were taught not to do that. It has to answer the majority of the five W’s. The article only had quotes of sophomores and it really doesn’t grab your attention. They should have quoted Sidener, and a senior. However the “main idea” was clear and easy to comprehend.
In the article about Edison the lead does answer most of the 5 W’s. the person did get a lot of different quotes and that’s good. There were some parts that could have been shown not told. For example, One mother said her son came home with blood spattered on him. ”My son came home with blood on his foot,” it was pretty obvious through the quote that the kid came with blood on his ffot and the write could have taken out his explanation.
wendyg2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
Compare and Contrast:
The 1st article that’s about MBSH was good but seemed off topic. The lead didn’t give away info about what the story was going to be about. Also, the information was badly placed. It was everywhere; going from the new building, to sidener and FCAT, then to school spirit and finally what when the buildings were built/being built for when.
The other article however, was much better. All on topic and had quotes correctly placed where it fit and made sense. Unlike the first article, this was more news.
arielaz2009 // March 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
Both articles have been written in the basic journalistic style, the MBSH article on a lighter note and the Edison Senior High piece written on a more serious and contreversial matter.
The Miami Beach Senior High piece, I believe, is a small slice of truth. The piece reports on beneficial things that the principal is doing for the students, yet failing to report on how many students actually take advantage of the new oppertunities being offered. Stylistcally speaking, the piece has an intriguing introduction that left me interested in reading the enitre article and was effective in getting the information across clearly.
The second article, by which I am content that lacks any bias, is a more detailed article on the brawl that occured between Miami Dade Police and the Miami Edison Senior High student body.
stephaniea2009 // March 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm |
The beach high article had a very positive perspective and was jolly and open minded towards everyhting ,
ahhhh, i can never finish!
blancaj2011j // March 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm |
In my opinion, the Beach story had more facts than the Miami Edison story, though the Edison story’s words gave a little image about the scenario. (For example- Edison: blood splattered on the foot and Beach: AVID program)
Though to me the Beach was confusing, but somewhat I could understand, while the second one was about something dramatic.
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mariap2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm |
The beach high article contained information on the school and told a positive story while the Edison high story showed and explained all the chaos occuring and contained more quotes from parents and students than the Beach High article.
A volleyball player named Sarah Pavan gave an interview saying that she isnt very liked by her team mates which is now causing conflicts and she’s blaming the journalists. If I were the author I would be offended that my ethics were being challenged and if I were the teeacher then I would stick by my journalists
carlosm2010 // March 3, 2008 at 6:22 pm |
both articles had lots of facts and quotes. the first article did not go with its tittle and the second was a neutral earticle
nataliea2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:51 pm |
i feel really bad for that girl she really messed her self up! what happend was this girl was like blah blah i have no friends and it was published and now she’s off the volley ball team and that type stuff!
nataliea2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:52 pm |
if i was the journalism teach i wouldnt publish knowing what thin ice that article was evoking
manuelam2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:53 pm |
Today, students will: (work)
1).what happened.
What happened was as far as I read was that the coach pavans team kicked her out, then there was this whole riot saying that she did not.
2).How would you act if you were the author? The journalism teacher?
How I would act is I would get the info as mr. weiss has told us many times ( get it out of the alligators mouth)
amaliar2011 // March 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm |
-A journalist featured Pagan, and in the interview, Pagan said that her teammates weren’t being very curteous to her (in other words) when the article was published, it expressed that view. the team was outraged and two days after the publishing of the article, Pagan was told that she could only be an official part of the team if she “apologized to the members”….for some reason. this sparked a follow-up article that then caused a lot of controversy since it showed the team in a negative light.
– If I were the author, I would stick to what I had written, not apologize for showing the truth.
-I would not penalize the writers for writing this story unless it can be proven that they did not honestly get the information or twisted it
stephaniea2009 // March 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm |
I pity the fool .
Basically, you cant state how you really feel without ending up the “bad” guy, All Pavan did was express how she really felt .. If they want to slander her and de- idoloze her its just because she had a MINOR slip up and they want to ruin her because everyone knows how great she really is ..
HOWEVER
– I would not apologize for writing what i was told because thats what a writer is supposed to do, write the truth ! If some people get hurt in the process then maybe they should be careful with what they say when the next time comes.
arielaz2009 // March 3, 2008 at 6:59 pm |
The journalism teacher is absolutely right for allowing the publication of the article. Any resentment that Pavan felt would have been harmful to her team should have never been retold or expressed to a journalist. In addition, Pavan should have expressed how she felt about her team mates- to her team mates.
As the journalism teacher of the two student journalists, I would have supported them completely. I would have even suggested posting the interview in audio form for the public to determine for themselves if any words were taken out of context.
carlosm2010 // March 3, 2008 at 6:59 pm |
in this article their was this girl (Paven) who was a super student/athelete who won tons of prizes which made people envious but turns out that she did not want the attention and she just wanted to be herself and she said that she will not apologies nor stop being a good athelete just to make people happy. if i was the author i would just speak the truth and screw what people think or if i thought it was WAY too much for people to handle then talk it over with an editor/a teacher to see if its appropriet. if i was the teacher then i would probably say that the author did a good job for expressing the truth but maybe disapprove the article from going to the public or just let it out and be truthful?
wendyg2011 // March 3, 2008 at 7:01 pm |
+ The story was about a girl named Sarah Paven. Once upon a time, she said she felt resented by her teammates and didn’t appreciate that because she wasn’t accepted for who she was, but with all that, she wasn’t going to change for them. After she said this in an interview and her teamates read about it in an article, they felt it was incorrect and wanted little Miss sarah to apologize to everyone. But articles following up that one, made the team seem bad and all information was out of context. The end.
+ If I were the author, I would double check all i had written and make sure that i wrote is exactly or pieces of information according to someone i interviewed, instead of mixing up what i understood.
+ If i were the teacher, i would want to talk to the author and ask where he got the information and make sure the data was all correct before firing him/her.
inesm2011 // March 3, 2008 at 7:01 pm |
Sarah Pavan, the all star player of UN’s girls’ volleyball team, was asked to have a profile made about her. The author of the article claims that Pavan said very conflictive things about her teammates. Once the article was out, a huge controversy rose as her teammates turned their backs on her. Another article, this time a follow-up, was written by another author, who, was reported by the volleyball coach, lied about him having kicked Pavan off the team.
If I were the author, I would stand by my side of the story and would not give up (if everything in the article was truly said by Pavan.)I would probably find evidence to contradict her, and her team’s and coach’s accusations.
If I was the teacher, I would ask the student to prove to me that he/she was right and if my student was being honest, I would stand by his/her side. If no, I would (if possible) expell him/her from the class or at least the paper.
blancaj2011j // March 3, 2008 at 7:01 pm |
Sarah Pavan is an athlete who talked about a conflict she had with her teammates (about not being appreciated by her triumphs, I guess), a thought that she told a group of young college reporters. The reporters feel that they did nothing wrong and that they had all right to write those articles about her, because they were her quotes and she told them, and it’s not like she is saying she never said it, Pavan thinks the writers blew it out of proportion or context. Her teammates were outraged and in the end don’t want to hang around with her anymore.
If I was was one of the writers of that story, I wouldn’t want to take anything back. It’s not like I [they] said it, I [they] just reiterated what Pavan told me.
If I was the journalism teacher, I would be proud of such a hard-hittin, controversial piece. As long as they had confirmation of those quotes and they didn’t make them up, then I would have said “Go for it!” Unless, they wanted to take them back, but we’ve seen they don’t.
danielag2011 // March 3, 2008 at 7:02 pm |
this article was about a girl called Sarah Pavan. The vollyball palyer gave an interview with alot of mystery since she said NO COMMENTS many times. She said that many of her team mates dont like her and they have somthing against her. This has been causing lots of controvery and her defence is that the journalists misused her words , basically stating that the journalist are lieyng i think thats insulting for the reporters.
amandae2011 // March 3, 2008 at 7:02 pm |
By amanda and alessia:
Explain, in your own words, what happened.
Sarah Pavan, a renowned volleyball player, was interviewed and featured to appear in the newspaper, Redwire for her accomplishments and achievements through school and volleyball. When some of the quotes, that spoke of how misunderstood she felt as regarded by the other teammates, were taken the wrong way (?) a controversy arose.
How would you act if you were the author? The journalism teacher?
If i were the author, much like the actual ones, i would definitely stick by my story. Otherwise, i would no longer have credibility as a journalist.
If i were the journalism teacher, i’d stick by my students but i would also apologize for any damage caused, no matter if i thought they were righ or not. One should always apologize before a scandal such as this one, while still standing by your opinion.
joselyng2010 // March 3, 2008 at 7:02 pm |
After being interviewed, the volleyball player Sarah Pavan is denying the accusations of saying how resented she feels from teammates. The reporter is being tried for having dubious motives. The article is saying how there is a mix up right now. If I were the author I would feel confident, only if I were telling the truth. According to the journalist he interviewed her for long hours and she was well aware of that. To prove my innocence I would just play the tape back. If I were the journalism teacher I would be interested in this article. It gives you a lot of controversy and can result in a good developed conversation.